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Minutes note: Carlen Hatala, Historic Preservation Commission Staff Planner
Paul Jakubovich, Historic Preservation Commission Staff Planner | | | |
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| | 1. | | Roll Call. | | | |
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| | 2. | | Approval of the Previous Minutes of August 5, 2013.
Minutes note: Mr. Hoeschen moved approval, seconded by Ms. Clendenen-Acosta, of the minutes of August 5, 2013. There were no objections. | | | |
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| 0 | 3. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new accessible addition on the south elevation of St. Anthony Church at 1711 S. 9th Street in the Mitchell Street Historic District for St. Anthony Congregation.
Minutes note: Mr. Jakubovich gave an overview of the staff report. The proposal is for a new accessible addition consisting of a new entrance, stairs, elevator, and corridor replacing the old gangway between the rectory and church buildings on the opposite side of Mitchell Street. This project replaces the one that was brought to the Commission about a year ago with the accessible entrance being proposed for the side on Mitchell Street. There will be a connector between the church and old rectory building. The addition would be built directly behind the connector and would not be visible from the street. The addition would essentially fill the gangway between the church and rectory building. It would not extend beyond the rectory building. The new entrance would consist of a wall with a door with a glazed entrance, be made of cream city brick, and have three skylights on top. Staff was concerned that the stained glass windows would be negatively impacted by water collected between the church and rectory building, but the architect addressed that concern with a gutter or trough that would take up the majority of the water runoff. Staff recommended approval.
Ms. Pieper Eisenbrown moved approval, seconded by Mr. Hoeschen, of a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new accessible addition on the south elevation of St. Anthony Church at 1711 S. 9th Street in the Mitchell Street Historic District for St. Anthony Congregation. There were no objections.
| ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | 4. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new storefront at 1329 E. Brady Street in the East Brady Street Historic District for Mike Lee
Minutes note: Mr. Jakubovich gave an overview of the staff report. The proposal is for the installation of two double hung aluminum clad windows that are seven feet high and five and a half feet in width at Malone’s tavern at 1329 E. Brady St. Additionally, shiplap siding will be installed in place of the stone on the storefront. The building originally was a one story house in the 1880s. Another floor was put underneath the house soon after for the purpose of being a store or tavern. It was fairly common for buildings in this community to be recycled instead of being completely demolished. Based on a photograph submitted by the applicant depicting the building in the year 1903 or 1904, the storefront appeared to be boxed out with very large plate glass windows stretched from corner to corner of the building in circa 1903 or 1904 with an 1880s housing upstairs.
Mr. Jakubovich, on behalf of staff, recommended that the proposal be referred back to staff for further consideration and work with the applicant. The building should return to its original character as much as possible with original materials used and use of large storefront windows. The current proposal has siding material lacking the original design of the building and enough window space. Also, the bulkhead material should be reconsidered. There are examples of neighboring storefronts in the area with large storefront windows and original materials used.
Mr. Hoeschen questioned how much staff wanted the windows to increase, if the right door should be moved to the center of the storefront like how it was originally positioned, and what glass material currently exists at the storefront?
Mr. Jakubovich replied that the storefront should consist mostly of glass extending from the ceiling of the first floor to a couple of feet from the bottom of the building, depending on the height of its flooring, with bulkhead beneath the windows. The windows should appear to be fixed when closed and may swing open. Double hung windows are present only in upper levels for housing purposes in the district, are not usually for commercial use, and should not be used for the storefront. The right door does not need to be moved to the center. Staff does not have knowledge of the glass material on the current storefront window.
Ald. Bauman concurred with staff that the current proposal is not satisfactory. He added that the proposal is not much of an improvement to the building. The applicant should save money for something better and closer to the original storefront.
Mr. Jarosz agreed with staff. The renovation should be more consistent with other buildings and the guidelines in the area. Perhaps a proposal with proper trims, board, and detail would approximate the look of the 1903 storefront. A revised proposal would not necessary be more expensive. A sign board instead of a clap board going all the way to the top of the light should be used.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta said that there are options for opening the windows in the front of the tavern while maintaining the historic character of the building.
Josh Malone, building owner, appeared and gave comments. The proposed double hung windows are seven feet high to almost the floor of the tavern with a foot step on the inside. The windows would be just underneath a two feet high sign. Seven feet is the maximum height of the windows that can be installed. The ceiling height is about 9 feet on the inside. One would have to take five or six steps before entering the tavern in the front. The bottom of the double hung windows would be at the floor on the inside. The purpose of the double hung windows is to have the windows slide open for tavern patrons to look outward into Brady Street from the inside. The purpose of the windows is not for air flow. There would be chairs and a drink rail in the front by these windows. The windows would only be open from the top of the drink rail to the sign. Due to potentially hitting patrons seated outside of the tavern at the front, the windows would not swing open but slide down instead. There would be plexiglass or a covered part installed between the bottom portions of the windows and the drink rail.
Ald. Bauman said that people at the drink rail will kick at the bottom portion of the drink rail towards the bottom half of the windows.
Mr. Jakubovich said that a seven foot high window was not typical.
Ald. Nik Kovac, 3rd aldermanic district, appeared and gave comments. He has had conversations with Mr. Malone. The two big issues are the size of the windows and materials around the edges of the windows. He agreed with staff to get the windows as large as possible like others in the area. There is a proportion issue that was not discussed. The proposed siding to the storefront to match the upper level does not look right. He would like to encourage the applicant to work with staff to get a better proposal.
Ald. Bauman moved to refer back to staff, seconded by Mr. Hoeschen, the Certificate of Appropriateness for a new storefront at 1329 E. Brady Street in the East Brady Street Historic District for Mike Lee. There were no objections.
| HELD IN COMMITTEE | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | 5. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness to retain metal windows with grids that were denied earlier by the Historic Preservation Commission at 124 W. Lloyd St. in the Brewers Hill Historic District for John Dorsey.
Minutes note: Mr. Jakubovich gave an overview of the staff report. The proposal is to retain metal windows and grids for the house at 124 W. Lloyd St. This proposal, other exterior work, and a proposed new garage were brought before the Commission once before. At that time, all exterior work on the house had occurred before any permits or Certificates of Appropriateness were granted. Since then, a lot of remediation work has occurred. The rough siding that had been installed in place of smooth siding has now been replaced with smooth siding. Some new trims and seals have been installed. One thing that the Commission was very specific about then was the removal of the metal clad windows with grids in between the glass. The grids cannot be removed from the windows. The grid windows appear flat, are not historically proper for the house, are not seen in the district, and have been installed all around the house. Staff is concerned with the window’s grids and metal material. There are no wood sashes. The house is of Stick Style and Queen Anne Transitional designs. There is a Stick Style house next door that has windows with no grids. Buildings throughout Brewers Hill have all retained its original wood sash or have had new wood sash replacements when deemed absolutely necessary. Staff has not approved any grid windows or metal windows for any residential use. Brewers Hill Association has submitted a written a letter in favor of upholding the guidelines of the district. Staff recommends that the guidelines be upheld.
Ald. Bauman asked what work had been approved and what work had not been approved with Certificates of Appropriateness for the subject house?
Mr. Jakubovich replied that there was neighborhood concern with the work being done at the site without permits or Certificates of Appropriateness in late 2011. The matter came before the Commission for the first time in November 2011.
Ms. Hatala said that staff discovered the exterior work done at the house during a visit to the site to take pictures in response to the applicant applying for a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new garage. The windows were installed already at that time.
Mr. Hoeschen said that he has seen the house, and the windows there are wood with metal mullions. He asked staff if staff would not recommend any type of grids?
John Dorsey, owner of the subject property, appeared and gave comments. The windows have always been double hung wood windows and not metal windows. The metal part of the windows is in between the glass.
Mr. Jakubovich said that the windows are still the wrong kind of windows and are unacceptable even if they were of wood and not metal. Staff was informed that the windows were all metal. There should be no grids at all in the windows.
Ald. Bauman said that he concurred with staff’s view that the windows are inappropriate. He added that the deed would have stated the historic status of the house.
Mr. Dorsey said that he first learned of the requirement for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the house renovations and his garage when he applied for a garage permit. His permit for the garage wasn’t issued due to the requirement for a Certificate of Appropriateness. He bought the house in May 2012. His title and closing paperwork did not disclose that the property was designated historic. He does not want to do the work twice since he had already purchased all his materials. The story presented by staff today was not exactly the way how things transpired. The application is to replace or to add wood style grids on the outside of the windows. There are windows with grids on the same style houses across the street and two doors down.
Mr. Jakubovich said that the house across the street is an Arts and Crafts style house with a very different kind of grid pattern. He added that Mr. Dorsey would have been informed about the historic designation of the house if he would have applied for a permit before doing the window replacements. This kind of work, even if not historic, requires a permit.
Ald. Bauman inquired if window replacements ordinarily required a permit?
Mr. Jakubovich responded. Strict window replacements with no changes in the opening did not require any permits. Window replacements with changes in opening size, number of windows, and structural changes to the wall requires a permit anywhere in the City.
With Mr. Dorsey’s home, some windows around the house stayed generally the same; however, some windows were structurally changed such as ones with new headers.
Mr. Dorsey said that all the windows on the house are the same size as the openings, he measured the old windows before purchasing the home, he never changed the sizes of the windows, and the new header in the front façade was a replacement of an existing header that was rotten.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta said that she recalled the header being in place in the front façade from the previous Commission meeting on the matter.
Mr. Hoeschen asked what exactly did Mr. Dorsey want in his application?
Mr. Dorsey replied that he wanted to install wood muntins on the exterior of the windows. He has spent about $3,000 and cannot replace the current grid glass with clear glass. His application is for wood windows and no metal windows.
Ald. Bauman said that installing wood muntins on the exterior of the windows is worse since the muntins can fall off. He added that the windows should be properly done from the beginning rather than having cost driven compromises that do not last very long.
Mr. Jarosz said that the matter should be held over to the next month to allow Mr. Dorsey to work with staff to find a solution. The subject house is closer to the Stick Style house next door. The windows should have sash without fake muntins.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta said that the applicant asked for three things in his application: the windows, a retaining wall, and a fence.
Mr. Hoeschen asked why staff did not have a recommendation on a fence and retaining wall in its report?
Mr. Dorsey said that his application described the windows, fence, and a retaining wall. He added that he submitted a letter referencing a drawing that was submitted in the past and was told by the Commission to come back with the retaining wall if he still wanted to do it.
Mr. Jakubovich said that a privacy fence can be done at the staff approval level if there was a description of it. The retaining wall is at the pleasure of the Commission and was glossed over in the past by the Commission. Staff does not have any details or drawings of the retaining wall as part of the file. The recommendation in the past was not to have a retaining wall.
Mr. Jarosz said that the information about the retaining wall is lacking in the application file and needs to be submitted officially for the record. He added that the applicant can pull the retaining wall information apart from the proposed windows and work with staff.
Mr. Hoeschen said that the applicant should continue to work with staff to find a solution rather than starting over with a denial decision by the Commission. He added that the situation has not gone smoothly and could have been handled better by the applicant.
Mr. Hoeschen moved to hold, seconded by Ms. Clendenen Acosta, of a Certificate of Appropriateness to retain metal windows with grids at 124 West Lloyd Street in the Brewers Hill Historic District for John Dorsey. There were no objections. | HELD IN COMMITTEE | Pass | 6:0 |
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| | 6. | | Announcements and Updates.
Minutes note: Ms. Hatala announced that the State Preservation Conference was coming up with many sessions like preservation law.
Mr. Jakubovich announced the possibility for Commission review at the next meeting of the renovation of the building on 100 E. Seeboth St.
Mr. Jarosz made announcements. Two University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee master students in architecture and preservation have been helping HPC staff as interns. On November 6, 2013, there will be a collaborative discussion event and display of work about preservation in the evening at the Pritzlaff Building with national speaker, Carl Elefante. The presentation from the State Historic Preservation Office will be an agenda item on the November 11, 2013 HPC meeting. The National Trust event will be at the end of October. The Milwaukee Preservation Alliance meeting will occur on November 8, 2013. There will be a panel symposium in February or March 2014 about preservation in Milwaukee.
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| 0 | a. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of a salvaged iron fence at 3320 W. Kilbourn Avenue in the Concordia Historic District for Peter Lee and Karen Levy. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | b. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for repairs to the side porch at 129 W. Brown Street in the Brewers Hill Historic District for Kaylan Haywood. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | c. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of new shingles and chimney removal at 830 E. Brady Street in the Brady Street Historic District for Christina Klose and Jeff Jones. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | d. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for selective demolition on the front porch at 2802 W. McKinley Blvd. in the Cold Spring Park Historic District for Luke Christie. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | e. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness new HVAC equipment at 2405 E. Wyoming Place in the North Point South Historic District for Frederick Vogel, IV. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | f. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness new central air conditioning units at 628 N. Broadway in the East Side Commercial Historic District for MBI Properties, LLC. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | g. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for complete exterior restoration of the fire-damaged duplex at 1003-1005 N. 33rd Street in the Concordia Historic District for Green Fire, LLC. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | h. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for HVAC work at 1041 E. Ogden Avenue, Ogden Row, an individually designated building for Todd Dillman. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | i. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for exterior restoration at 2807-2809 W. State Street in the Concordia Historic District for the City of Milwaukee, Department of City Development. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | j. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness to enclose the small rear airing proch at 2659 N. Summit Avenue in the North Point North Historic District for Jeff Riepl. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | k. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for exterior repairs at 3330-3332 W. McKinley Blvd. in the Cold Spring Park Historic District for Tony Hopson. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | l. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new lawn sign at 3288 N. Lake Drive in the North Lake Drive Estates Historic District for the Wisconsin Institute for Torah Study. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | m. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of new signage at 1217 E. Brady Street in the Brady Street Historic District for Miro Rokvic. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | n. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new backyard wood privacy fence at 2664 N. Lake Drive in the North Point North Historic District for Timothy Randall and Krystal Kimmel. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | o. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for new signage at 1230 E. Brady Street in the East Brady Street Historic District for Julilly Kohler, agent for JWK Management, LLC. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | p. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for new venting at 1215 N. 10th Street (buildings 20 and 21) in the Pabst Brewery Historic District for Brewery House, LLC. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | q. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for repair of clay tile roof, flashings and chimney at 2676 N. Sherman Blvd. in the Sherman Boulevard Historic District for the City of Milwaukee, Department of City Development. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | r. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for a backyard wood privacy fence at 826 N. 34th Street in the Concordia Historic District for Nancy Bufkin. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | s. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for new metal picket fencing and a gate at 3215 W. State Street in the Concordia Historic District for the Forest County Potawatomi Community. | ADOPTED | Pass | 5:0 |
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| 0 | t. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of new windows at 210 W. Brown Street in the Brewers Hill Historic District for Arthur Marburg. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | u. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of a new custom iron handrail on the law steps at 1815 N. 2nd Street in the Brewers Hill Historic District for Claudia and Michael Koch. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | v. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction of a stone monument sign at 1711 S. 9th Street in the Mitchell Street Historic District for St. Anthony Congregation. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | w. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for installation of new HVAC equipment at 2814 N. Sherman Blvd. in the Sherman Blvd. Historic District for US Bank National Association. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | x. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for new HVAC work at 2462 N. Grant Blvd. in the Grant Blvd. Historic District for Cherry Creek Homes, LLC. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | y. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of new central air conditioning at 212 E. North Avenue at the St. Marcus Parsonage building (historic name), an individually-designated building for Jay Jones. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| 0 | z. | Resolution | Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for installation of new furnace venting at 3272 N. Sherman Blvd. in the Sherman Blvd. Historic District for Susanna M. Ziemendorf. | ADOPTED | Pass | 6:0 |
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| | | | Meeting adjourned at 4:02 p.m.
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