City of Milwaukee - File #: 220755

• File #: 220755
• Version: 0
• Type: Resolution
• Status: Dead
• File created: 9/13/2022
• In control: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
• Final action: 12/5/2022
• Title: Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction of a new house at 2409 N. Terrace Avenue, in the North Point North Historic District, for Terrace 2409 LLC.
• Sponsors: THE CHAIR

Date	Ver.	Action By	Action	Result	Tally
12/5/2022	0	HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION	PLACED ON FILE; Minutes note: Applicant withdrew via e-mail.	Pass	7:0
11/7/2022	0	HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION	HELD IN COMMITTEE; Minutes note: Ms. Carlen Hatala said this project was reviewed last month and the architect was encouraged to work with staff. The property has two driveways because one is the neighboring lot's. The front setback will be 24 feet. There will be standing seam roof with lighter dormers for contrast. There will be some design element to the brick pattern. The porch ceiling has also been extended more and there are a trio of posts rather than one large post. There are also wood and tile elements and two decks. The windows will be steel. Patrick Jones - Ramsey Jones Architects - steel windows may be too expensive and/or unobtainable. Mike -owner with Juli Kaufman - the setback was moved from 22.2 feet to 24 feet. Ms. Hatala said scale is comparable to other houses in the district as is the form. The applicant will use consistent in color cream city brick. The house will also use thoroughly modified wood. The concrete block foundation will be smooth. Staff recommends approval with conditions noted in the staff report, relating to the fencing, landscaping and final window selection. Sheila Reynolds - neighbor immediately to the north - she still has some concerns about the side of the house facing her house. She also believes the setback needs to be further back in front so it fits in better with the existing setbacks. Dewey Caton - her husband and she own 2365 N. Terrace Ave. that's on the same side of the street as the proposed house. The neighborhood is very concerned about the setback. The decision should turn on what is appropriate for the neighborhood, not on what the owners have personally done. Ald. Bauman would like to have the setback increased. Mr. Jarosz is concerned about the window style. The Commission doesn't want fake historic buildings; modern and contemporary are fine. The file is held with the areas of concern being: Windows - no double-hung windows, depth of the setting and window material Setback. Metal on the north side that the neighbor objects to. Soften that up. How going to shed water from the standing seam roof north of the north dormer. Condition of the window at the stair.	Pass	5:0
10/10/2022	0	HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION	HELD IN COMMITTEE; Minutes note: Ms. Hatala said this is the third and final parcel that is right next door to a historic building. The city has a set-back formula that gives you a range of where the building is set on the property. Black is the primary color of this house and the tan is reclaimed cream city brick. The house has no basement - it sits on a slab. The front yard will have a gentle berm. It will be a very simple house with dormers and side gables. Recessed entry door and wood windows and two decks. The house will also have zinc cladding. Some of the landscape details need to be nailed down. Reclaimed brick was not popular until the 1940s so it wouldn't fit the historic district. The property is very horizontal and even the dormers do not project up, as is typical. Staff recommends that the design needs more work to make it more compatible with the district, as outlined in the staff report. Juli Kaufmann - 2649 N. Bremen St. - will be the homeowner. She worked through with Tim and are now confused that they are getting a different message from Ms. Hatala Patrick Jones - architect - he was also surprised by the staff report and is seeking clarification. It won't be black zinc but a naturally patining metal product that has depth and variety. The color will be blue-gray. There are many examples of recessed porches as well as no porches. The house right next door has a recessed door. He likes narrow houses. The lawns across the street are generally flat and the windows are 1-2 feet above the lawn, while their windows are five feet up. The two primary materials will be the cream city brick and the cool gray zinc as well as three secondary materials, with black detailing. The roof will be metal. Mr. Askin suggested parging the foundation and covering it with landscaping since brick is no longer run directly into the ground. Mike - Husband of the applicant Aaron Delesley - 2386 N. Terrace Ave. - across the street; his concern is the setback and the zinc roof. Sheila Reynolds - 2411 N. Terrace Ave. - in general, the rest of the block is at 30 feet setback and she would like this house's setback to be more. There also is a question about the lot lines and the house is using every inch of the lot. She also has concerns with the metal siding and they will be losing the trees currently there. Metal roofs also make a lot of noise, which is also a concern for her. Mr. Hans Robinson would like to see a thicker fascia and the metal come down. Held to work with staff and schedule next month.	Pass	5:0
9/13/2022	0	COMMON COUNCIL	ASSIGNED TO

Number

220755

Version

ORIGINAL

Reference

Sponsor

THE CHAIR

Title

Resolution relating to a Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction of a new house at 2409 N. Terrace Avenue, in the North Point North Historic District, for Terrace 2409 LLC.

Drafter

CC-CC

Tim Askin

9/13/22