| 10/14/2013 | 0 |
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
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Minutes note: Mr. Jakubovich gave an overview. This item was heard at the last meeting. The Commission Chair had suggested at the last meeting that only the front windows be replaced with clear glass with no grids. All windows of the house are wood with metal grids. The applicant is proposing the recommendation of the chair and to leave the remaining windows as they are. The applicant is also proposing a two foot stacked limestone retaining wall and a six foot fence. Neighboring properties do not have retaining walls. The fence proposal is no issue for staff whether the material is wood or metal. Commission has jurisdiction over all four sides of the house.
The building owner, John Dorsey, appeared. He requested to withdraw the request for the two foot retaining wall and to proceed with the recommendation of the chair from the last meeting relating to the windows. That recommendation was to replace only the front windows (4 windows/8 sashes). He has replaced twelve windows over the entire house.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta moved approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to retain metal windows with grids at 124 W. Lloyd St. contingent upon replacement of the front windows with glass with no grids and the remaining windows to remain as they are. Ms. Clendenen Acosta further moved acceptance of the withdrawal of the retaining wall request and that the fence request be referred to staff. Mr. Hoeschen seconded. There were no objections.
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| 9/9/2013 | 0 |
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
| HELD IN COMMITTEE
Minutes note: Mr. Jakubovich gave an overview of the staff report. The proposal is to retain metal windows and grids for the house at 124 W. Lloyd St. This proposal, other exterior work, and a proposed new garage were brought before the Commission once before. At that time, all exterior work on the house had occurred before any permits or Certificates of Appropriateness were granted. Since then, a lot of remediation work has occurred. The rough siding that had been installed in place of smooth siding has now been replaced with smooth siding. Some new trims and seals have been installed. One thing that the Commission was very specific about then was the removal of the metal clad windows with grids in between the glass. The grids cannot be removed from the windows. The grid windows appear flat, are not historically proper for the house, are not seen in the district, and have been installed all around the house. Staff is concerned with the window’s grids and metal material. There are no wood sashes. The house is of Stick Style and Queen Anne Transitional designs. There is a Stick Style house next door that has windows with no grids. Buildings throughout Brewers Hill have all retained its original wood sash or have had new wood sash replacements when deemed absolutely necessary. Staff has not approved any grid windows or metal windows for any residential use. Brewers Hill Association has submitted a written a letter in favor of upholding the guidelines of the district. Staff recommends that the guidelines be upheld.
Ald. Bauman asked what work had been approved and what work had not been approved with Certificates of Appropriateness for the subject house?
Mr. Jakubovich replied that there was neighborhood concern with the work being done at the site without permits or Certificates of Appropriateness in late 2011. The matter came before the Commission for the first time in November 2011.
Ms. Hatala said that staff discovered the exterior work done at the house during a visit to the site to take pictures in response to the applicant applying for a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new garage. The windows were installed already at that time.
Mr. Hoeschen said that he has seen the house, and the windows there are wood with metal mullions. He asked staff if staff would not recommend any type of grids?
John Dorsey, owner of the subject property, appeared and gave comments. The windows have always been double hung wood windows and not metal windows. The metal part of the windows is in between the glass.
Mr. Jakubovich said that the windows are still the wrong kind of windows and are unacceptable even if they were of wood and not metal. Staff was informed that the windows were all metal. There should be no grids at all in the windows.
Ald. Bauman said that he concurred with staff’s view that the windows are inappropriate. He added that the deed would have stated the historic status of the house.
Mr. Dorsey said that he first learned of the requirement for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the house renovations and his garage when he applied for a garage permit. His permit for the garage wasn’t issued due to the requirement for a Certificate of Appropriateness. He bought the house in May 2012. His title and closing paperwork did not disclose that the property was designated historic. He does not want to do the work twice since he had already purchased all his materials. The story presented by staff today was not exactly the way how things transpired. The application is to replace or to add wood style grids on the outside of the windows. There are windows with grids on the same style houses across the street and two doors down.
Mr. Jakubovich said that the house across the street is an Arts and Crafts style house with a very different kind of grid pattern. He added that Mr. Dorsey would have been informed about the historic designation of the house if he would have applied for a permit before doing the window replacements. This kind of work, even if not historic, requires a permit.
Ald. Bauman inquired if window replacements ordinarily required a permit?
Mr. Jakubovich responded. Strict window replacements with no changes in the opening did not require any permits. Window replacements with changes in opening size, number of windows, and structural changes to the wall requires a permit anywhere in the City.
With Mr. Dorsey’s home, some windows around the house stayed generally the same; however, some windows were structurally changed such as ones with new headers.
Mr. Dorsey said that all the windows on the house are the same size as the openings, he measured the old windows before purchasing the home, he never changed the sizes of the windows, and the new header in the front façade was a replacement of an existing header that was rotten.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta said that she recalled the header being in place in the front façade from the previous Commission meeting on the matter.
Mr. Hoeschen asked what exactly did Mr. Dorsey want in his application?
Mr. Dorsey replied that he wanted to install wood muntins on the exterior of the windows. He has spent about $3,000 and cannot replace the current grid glass with clear glass. His application is for wood windows and no metal windows.
Ald. Bauman said that installing wood muntins on the exterior of the windows is worse since the muntins can fall off. He added that the windows should be properly done from the beginning rather than having cost driven compromises that do not last very long.
Mr. Jarosz said that the matter should be held over to the next month to allow Mr. Dorsey to work with staff to find a solution. The subject house is closer to the Stick Style house next door. The windows should have sash without fake muntins.
Ms. Clendenen Acosta said that the applicant asked for three things in his application: the windows, a retaining wall, and a fence.
Mr. Hoeschen asked why staff did not have a recommendation on a fence and retaining wall in its report?
Mr. Dorsey said that his application described the windows, fence, and a retaining wall. He added that he submitted a letter referencing a drawing that was submitted in the past and was told by the Commission to come back with the retaining wall if he still wanted to do it.
Mr. Jakubovich said that a privacy fence can be done at the staff approval level if there was a description of it. The retaining wall is at the pleasure of the Commission and was glossed over in the past by the Commission. Staff does not have any details or drawings of the retaining wall as part of the file. The recommendation in the past was not to have a retaining wall.
Mr. Jarosz said that the information about the retaining wall is lacking in the application file and needs to be submitted officially for the record. He added that the applicant can pull the retaining wall information apart from the proposed windows and work with staff.
Mr. Hoeschen said that the applicant should continue to work with staff to find a solution rather than starting over with a denial decision by the Commission. He added that the situation has not gone smoothly and could have been handled better by the applicant.
Mr. Hoeschen moved to hold, seconded by Ms. Clendenen Acosta, of a Certificate of Appropriateness to retain metal windows with grids at 124 West Lloyd Street in the Brewers Hill Historic District for John Dorsey. There were no objections. | Pass | 6:0 |
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